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Abortion, Atheists and GOP Women

It was reported in the news that the GOP had to water down an anti-abortion bill because GOP women representatives objected to a section concerning rape.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/abortion-bill-dropped-amid-concerns-of-female-gop-lawmakers/2015/01/22/56ffafea-a24a-11e4-903f-9f2faf7cd9fe_story.html

The bill, which would institutionalize the Hyde Amendment of 1976 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment), would also add a provision that prohibited federal funding of abortions due to rape, after the pregnancy had progressed past 20 weeks.

This development demonstrates just how much the atheist worldview is really approaching mainstream status these days.

Conservative (aka Tea Party) political philosophy is based on the same natural law theory that the Founding Fathers used to design and build the American Republic.

Catholic doctrine on life, family and sex are also consistent with natural law theory.

Natural law theory looks at human rights, the right to life, concerning the topic of abortion, from the standpoint of human nature.

Human nature is defined as a human specimen that is healthy and whole.  Human nature begins at the moment of conception and ends at natural death.

Clearly, natural law theory is consist with modern science with regard to when life begins for a creature, at conception which means “beginning.”

My question for atheists and so-called Conservative women who agree with the rape exception for abortion is,

What did the unborn child do to deserve being murdered?

The unborn child had absolutely nothing to do with any crime and is totally innocent.

The atheist gives the standard answer, which is an outright rejection of natural law, and the American understanding of human rights:

“The fetus is not yet human, so abortion presents no moral or ethical problems.  Abortion is in fact moral because it is the result of the free choice of the woman concerned.”

But what about the so called, Conservative or Tea Party woman who believes that the abortion exception for rape, is just?

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11 responses to “Abortion, Atheists and GOP Women”

  1. Louis from VA Avatar
    Louis from VA

    As someone I met once put it, “Two wrongs don’t make a right.”

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  2. Wally Fry Avatar
    Wally Fry

    That took courage to write. Well done.

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    1. silenceofmind Avatar
      silenceofmind

      I suppose it’s too much to ask for a little courage from our government representatives?

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      1. Wally Fry Avatar
        Wally Fry

        Probably is. .yep

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  3. insanitybytes22 Avatar
    insanitybytes22

    Hmm. I actually don’t support rape exemptions, in fact, I think that’s even nuttier when it comes to logic and reason. If someone really believes abortion is murder than you can’t come out later and declare that murder is okay in some circumstances. Either it’s murder or it isn’t, you can’t have it both ways.

    I do understand it though, and I think this issue really shows the difference between men and women’s brains and how we process information. A comment above says, “two wrongs don’t make a right” which is a good example of how men think and yet women do not think like that at all. That is a compartmentalized form of linear thinking. It’s not wrong, it just is what it is.

    If you think of women as always reflecting and multiplying what men give out, than you can begin to understand that two wrongs do indeed make a right. On some level all those tea partiers and GOP women recognize this fact and respond accordingly. It’s an emotional and biological response, not a rational one.

    So rape is a rather horrendous thing and when that has been dumped on a woman she is somewhat compelled to reflect and multiply that unpleasantness. That’s another kind of natural law at play. To expect a woman to carry and raise a rapist’s child, is actually demanding that she rise above natural law, find her higher self, and do something completely unnatural. She has to compartmentalize her brain, disconnect emotionally, and separate herself from her child and also from her perpetrator. That’s a huge feat, it requires tremendous work, and yet women manage to pull it off all the time, with varying degrees of success.

    To mandate that women be forced to violate natural law is a tough pill to swallow for most women. We all recognize that there is something inherently immoral to that.

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    1. silenceofmind Avatar
      silenceofmind

      You bring up one of the major problems with objective ethics and that is the high cost to certain individuals for doing the right thing.

      But the alternative is subjective morality which in the case of abortion has led to the horrific genocide of the unborn.

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    2. insanitybytes22 Avatar
      insanitybytes22

      I tend to agree with you Silence. I really think women live a bit more in subjective reality then men do, and I don’t think that’s a bad thing at all, I just think it needs to be tempered with some objective morality, which for the most part, men tend to do much better.

      It was actually a guy who managed to convince me that there shouldn’t be an exemption for rape, because that one stumped me too. One thing I managed to understand is that once a pregnancy occurs a violation of a woman’s body has already happened. (We don’t like to think of conception as a violation, but when it is unwanted that is what it is like.)

      Believe it or not, the idea that a violation already occurred eluded me. It eludes many women and what we seek to try and do is erase any evidence of that violation, after the fact. In rape, that is an even more pronounced response. Women are trying to demolish all evidence of a violation. The problem is that is a deception, a lie, a rather cruel form of brainwashing, because of course no matter what you do, you cannot really erase the truth. It’s like putting a band aid over a raging infection. So years later we have women suddenly dealing with the trauma of a long ago rape and now also grieving the loss of a child that trauma (and some brainwashing) led her to kill. So when it comes to long term consequences, we did that woman no good at all, in fact, we contributed to her harm.

      That is where objective morality comes in. Subjective is awesome for the short term, but not so good at seeing the long term impact.

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    3. Michelle Styles Avatar
      Michelle Styles

      I agree IB for me it is/would have been murder. In my head it was. But tell that to the average rape victim. They would disagree that why should I be forced to carry this thing inside me and birth it. I always try and correct it lovingly as it is not a thing, that is a baby. Some women just aren’t in a place to hear that. Forcing a woman who has already been traumatized to carry a baby conceived in this way further damages the woman mentally.

      It’s a fine line there the good of the mother vs the good of the baby.

      Next question the woman doesn’t believe like you believe and to her it is perfectly justifiable. You would force her to adhere to your morals? And don’t say well the bible says. For anyone who doesn’t see it as holy then the morals contained in there are irrelevant to the discussion.

      I am firmly against abortion as birth control period. That was a choice and you knew the possible outcomes even with protection. But if you haven’t worked at a rape crisis center and dealt with that broken girl then honestly you should go and get a new perspective on just what your forced carry of a baby conceived in rape could mean.

      One young girl I tried to help had a mother who would not allow the girl to have an abortion period because it was murder to the mothers. That rape victim went home and hung herself less than a month later. The baby and the mother died and in this case the abortion might have saved the mother.

      The converse has also been true. In the ten plus years I’ve been there I have had women return years later with a baby in their arms crying and trying to discourage the choice they made. They tell of the life they ended and the joys of motherhood and the regrets.

      Just thoughts, either way it is a heavy subject and one that requires careful thought, I choose life against the doctors advice, against almost all the advice I got. But my family stood by my choice and would have no matter which choice I made. To me it wasn’t a choice. It was murder or not murder. I told my father let god claim the baby should he choose but I won’t kill (it) at the time I didn’t know “it” would be my son. I didn’t know the sex only that a baby was in there.

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  4. Arkenaten Avatar
    Arkenaten

    The better way would be for the Catholic Church to get behind contraception 100%. This would be a start.
    How about it SOM? Why not come out and openly declare that the religious objections to contraception are immoral.

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  5. Michelle Styles Avatar
    Michelle Styles

    That is why I made the choice I made. My son did not choose his method of conception, nor did he commit any sin that would elevate to the level of murder. Even after a most vile and brutal rape. He has become my greatest blessing and is the one thing in my life since my rape that I did right.

    Inside me deeply Part 4

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  6. secretsally70 Avatar
    secretsally70

    I’m pro life and if I was raped and conceived, I would keep the child. I know the abortion would haunt me until I died.

    But I am for the morning after pill. I feel women need to report all rape. If my car was broken into, why wouldn’t I report someone breaking into something more precious… My body!! Have women report the crime, collect evidence so the police can catch the predator (possibly stopping the rape of other women). Then the woman can take the morning after pill. There would be no need for any of the barbaric procedures used during an abortion. The woman prevents the pregnancy and has done a good thing by reporting a crime!

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